Comments on: “I don’t trust CakePHP” or what should you say in public? http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/ baking cakes with CakePHP Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:41:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: cakebaker http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-107443 cakebaker Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:27:58 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-107443 @Mr-Yellow: Thanks for your comments! Well, I think the problem is that there is an (implicit) convention that members of the core team don't create bug reports. It's silly, but if you look at the bug tracker you will find almost no tickets opened by team members... @Mr-Yellow: Thanks for your comments!

Well, I think the problem is that there is an (implicit) convention that members of the core team don’t create bug reports. It’s silly, but if you look at the bug tracker you will find almost no tickets opened by team members…

]]> By: Mr-Yellow http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-107359 Mr-Yellow Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:47:17 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-107359 [quote] they feel that you have access to fix the things that you think are wrong but were instead choosing to complain about it rather than fix it. [/quote] So yelling at anyone that submits an issue that they aren't already focused on, should just fix it themselves and never submit bugs as the core team doesn't like working? [quote]
they feel that you have access to fix the things that you think are wrong but were instead choosing to complain about it rather than fix it.
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So yelling at anyone that submits an issue that they aren’t already focused on, should just fix it themselves and never submit bugs as the core team doesn’t like working?

]]> By: Mr-Yellow http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-107356 Mr-Yellow Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:43:39 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-107356 Asshat developers in open source looking for peer fame from geeks can get fucked. If their ego reacts to a bug ticket and they close it because of the way you asked..... Then they are the fuckheads not you. -Ben Asshat developers in open source looking for peer fame from geeks can get fucked. If their ego reacts to a bug ticket and they close it because of the way you asked….. Then they are the fuckheads not you.

-Ben

]]> By: cakebaker » Why you should test your CakePHP applications http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-12726 cakebaker » Why you should test your CakePHP applications Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:08:41 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-12726 [...] comment about me not trusting CakePHP caused quite some discussions. Some interpreted it in the way that I [...] [...] comment about me not trusting CakePHP caused quite some discussions. Some interpreted it in the way that I [...]

]]> By: cakebaker http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10921 cakebaker Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:23:47 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10921 @Lorenzo: Hm, I am not sure whether it became easier to get involved as you still have to find the google group. @Lorenzo: Hm, I am not sure whether it became easier to get involved as you still have to find the google group.

]]> By: Lorenzo http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10913 Lorenzo Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:19:37 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10913 I'm part now of the documentation team, afeter I tried to apply for a second time. It happened to me as to Scott, the first time I wrote to the documentation team I got no answer, then I wrote again a few months later and after 3 weeks I got an e-mail back. I think by that time it was difficult to get involved, I hope is easier now with the google group. I’m part now of the documentation team, afeter I tried to apply for a second time. It happened to me as to Scott, the first time I wrote to the documentation team I got no answer, then I wrote again a few months later and after 3 weeks I got an e-mail back.

I think by that time it was difficult to get involved, I hope is easier now with the google group.

]]> By: cakebaker http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10862 cakebaker Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:50:00 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10862 @soulhuntre: Thanks for your comment. I think the mentality you mention exists also in the CakePHP team. If you as a team member get criticized for submitting tickets without patches, well, then something is wrong. @gwoo: With such an answer you won't convince anyone to help with documentation... I don't know which way Scott used to offer his help and what the cause was that there was no answer. But saying "I find it hard to believe that your effort was sincere" sounds to me simply arrogant. Maybe the process to get involved with documentation is too complicated? Maybe an email was overlooked? Sorry to say that, but the only person I see complaining here is you. @soulhuntre: Thanks for your comment. I think the mentality you mention exists also in the CakePHP team. If you as a team member get criticized for submitting tickets without patches, well, then something is wrong.

@gwoo: With such an answer you won’t convince anyone to help with documentation…

I don’t know which way Scott used to offer his help and what the cause was that there was no answer. But saying “I find it hard to believe that your effort was sincere” sounds to me simply arrogant. Maybe the process to get involved with documentation is too complicated? Maybe an email was overlooked?

Sorry to say that, but the only person I see complaining here is you.

]]> By: gwoo http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10820 gwoo Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:41:24 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10820 @Soulhuntre We are always up front about the problems. What is happening now is that many people are using branch code expecting it to be working perfectly. I think if you ask all the 1.2 users out there they will tell you they are pretty impresses with how stable 1.2 is for being in alpha and constantly being developed. The point is dont complain about something that is in development and you know is alpha. If you want to use alpha then you are accepting the possible bugs and also accepting the responsibility to the rest of the community to help out. @Scott I find it hard to believe that your effort was sincere. If you look at this http://cakeforge.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=53&type=g you will see that many people are contributing to the docs and have received tasks to work on. It seems that people are a lot quicker to complain than they are too express gratification for the countless hours the dev team puts into this project. But hey thats life and im not complaining. I understand that many people look for the bad in things before appreciating the good. For anyone who wants to talk, come by IRC. Talk to us. We are always there. Otherwise, sit back, use the stable 1.1 and have fun. @Soulhuntre
We are always up front about the problems. What is happening now is that many people are using branch code expecting it to be working perfectly. I think if you ask all the 1.2 users out there they will tell you they are pretty impresses with how stable 1.2 is for being in alpha and constantly being developed.

The point is dont complain about something that is in development and you know is alpha. If you want to use alpha then you are accepting the possible bugs and also accepting the responsibility to the rest of the community to help out.

@Scott
I find it hard to believe that your effort was sincere. If you look at this
http://cakeforge.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=53&type=g you will see that many people are contributing to the docs and have received tasks to work on.

It seems that people are a lot quicker to complain than they are too express gratification for the countless hours the dev team puts into this project. But hey thats life and im not complaining. I understand that many people look for the bad in things before appreciating the good.

For anyone who wants to talk, come by IRC. Talk to us. We are always there. Otherwise, sit back, use the stable 1.1 and have fun.

]]> By: Soulhuntre http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10816 Soulhuntre Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:26:00 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10816 Something that is often (IMHO) grossly misused in Opensource circles is the "don't complain, fix it or shut up" mentality. If someone is checking in broken code and borking tests why is it wrong to mention that? Frankly i am pretty disturbed to find that there is a chance that there is lots of stuff about CakePHP that maybe we should know but don't because no one in the core team would be willing to tell us about problems in the name of solidarity. Something that is often (IMHO) grossly misused in Opensource circles is the “don’t complain, fix it or shut up” mentality. If someone is checking in broken code and borking tests why is it wrong to mention that?

Frankly i am pretty disturbed to find that there is a chance that there is lots of stuff about CakePHP that maybe we should know but don’t because no one in the core team would be willing to tell us about problems in the name of solidarity.

]]> By: cakebaker http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/comment-page-1/#comment-10810 cakebaker Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:00:12 +0000 http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/08/27/i-dont-trust-cakephp-or-what-should-you-say-in-public/#comment-10810 @nate: See my answer to Chris: "[...] Instead of writing about failing tests I could fix them. That’s true. On the other hand I think if someone breaks a test, he should also fix it." Yes, that's right, as long as I am part of the group I criticize, I criticize myself, too. I failed in convincing those who broke some tests to fix them. @Scott: Yes, that's bad, and it should not happen that people who want to help are ignored. If you still want to help, you may try the docs group: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/cakephp-docs" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/cakephp-docs</a> @random outsider: I don't understand what you mean (I don't follow what's happening in Rails land) @nate: See my answer to Chris: “[...] Instead of writing about failing tests I could fix them. That’s true. On the other hand I think if someone breaks a test, he should also fix it.”

Yes, that’s right, as long as I am part of the group I criticize, I criticize myself, too. I failed in convincing those who broke some tests to fix them.

@Scott: Yes, that’s bad, and it should not happen that people who want to help are ignored. If you still want to help, you may try the docs group: http://groups.google.com/group/cakephp-docs

@random outsider: I don’t understand what you mean (I don’t follow what’s happening in Rails land)

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