Comments on: Bye, bye, CakePHP team

By: Response to dho leaving the CakePHP team | Coding My Thoughts

Response to dho leaving the CakePHP team | Coding My Thoughts — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:00:58 +0000

[...] just finished reading dho’s goodbye message to the CakePHP team. While I may or may not agree with Daniel’s feelings of being left [...]

By: cakebaker

cakebaker — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:08:52 +0000

@jason, gaurav: Thanks for your comments and your support!

I think it is better for me to be no longer a member of the CakePHP team, especially after what I learned from this incident. I should have left earlier, as I have a different philosophy than some of the team…

By: gaurav_m

gaurav_m — Wed, 21 May 2008 15:24:39 +0000

what the fuck!!!

he is a nice guy…and these rubbiesh tac tics…
this is the best blog for cakePHP noobs.
I really learnt a lot from it..when we dont have books…Blogs come in between..cakePHP showed me this.

By: jason

jason — Wed, 21 May 2008 10:09:35 +0000

hi
i think it was bad that he was fired from cakephp team.
i diagree with them totally…….actually his intention was not bad……i jst recommend cakephp team to bring him back.
thanks
jason

By: cs

cs — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:46:46 +0000

just great!

By: build a bridge...

build a bridge... — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:03:41 +0000

…and get over it.

By: cakebaker

cakebaker — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:11:23 +0000

@Kevin, Anonymous, Philip: Thanks for your comments!

@Kevin: Yes, I agree with you, the move with the 1.2 manual is hard to understand. If they would make it public even at an early stage, it would be a win-win situation: the users of CakePHP 1.2 would get some help to get started, and the docs team would get feedback from real users.

@Anonymous: Yes, the stable version of CakePHP 1.2 is quite late…

By: Philip

Philip — Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:21:49 +0000

@Kunthar: Well, actually that’s the beauty of an open-source license, isn’t it? At any time if the management issues get to be too arduous for people to fool with, they can always fork the project. I’m not advocating that by a longshot — I’m not even remotely competent to contribute code, so I’m hardly competent to advocate running off in my own direction! — just stating that it’s an implicit incentive for o/s projects to keep their devs happy. Once key people get dissatisfied and a project forks, it’s up to the market to decide whose ideas are better. Of course the same can happen in proprietary-source but having to start from scratch is a much stronger disincentive to walk out.

While I’m not advocating a code fork, I’m pretty close to advocating a de facto documentation fork. I really don’t get the 1.2 manual thing. I would make more noise about it but I don’t want to piss off people whose help I need in getting up to speed on CakePHP!

@Kevin: I share your concerns. What would the ideal documentation look like? How can we get there?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:30 +0000

Well I have to say I agree with dho on this one. It’s not the first time the core CakePHP team have been bastards. Unfortunately the core team seem to want to keep an iron grip on their source code, which I admire – but look where it’s got them, CakePHP 1.2 is *still* in development, I started using it back in December 2006.

They really need to get their management sorted out and get releasing stable code. Release Early, Release Often.

Oh, and they also need to stop being so sarcastic to people, it really puts a lot of newbies off.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:34:59 +0000

I just want to say that without your blog, I would have given up on CakePHP long ago. CakePHP has been crippled by its lack of documentation, official or otherwise. Not only is the existing documentation lacking, but there are entire features that are completely undocumented. I recently saw a link to some preliminary Cake 1.2 documentation that was locked down and taken offline because it was ‘incomplete’. How ridiculous is that! I think any documentation, no matter how incomplete or inaccurate it may be, is better than the complete lack of documentation that exists right now.

Anyway, that was sort of a tangent and I would like to thank you for helping CakePHP in the area it needs most – more documentation – even if the core devs can’t seem to recognize it as a contribution.