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	<title>Comments on: First version of the CakePHP 1.2 manual online</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Daldini</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-54894</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Daldini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, I don&#039;t blame anyone for it, and I&#039;m very glad that the manual is now available again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, I don&#8217;t blame anyone for it, and I&#8217;m very glad that the manual is now available again.</p>
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		<title>By: cakebaker</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-54837</link>
		<dc:creator>cakebaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim: I am sorry to hear you missed a deadline because of that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim: I am sorry to hear you missed a deadline because of that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Daldini</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-54547</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Daldini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt watch the manual until know (since I assumed it only explained the CakePHP basics which I am allready familiar with) but there is  some VERY valuable stuff in there too which made me understand some things better.

Obviously it is my own fault I failed meeting a deadline as I was too busy trying to get the hang of the framework. But I couldnt help feeling a bit confused looking back when I noticed that manual allready existed (as of January 2007) when I needed it so badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt watch the manual until know (since I assumed it only explained the CakePHP basics which I am allready familiar with) but there is  some VERY valuable stuff in there too which made me understand some things better.</p>
<p>Obviously it is my own fault I failed meeting a deadline as I was too busy trying to get the hang of the framework. But I couldnt help feeling a bit confused looking back when I noticed that manual allready existed (as of January 2007) when I needed it so badly.</p>
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		<title>By: cakebaker</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-23854</link>
		<dc:creator>cakebaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sviktorov: Difficult to say, it probably depends on the complexity of your project. 

To upgrade, I would setup a new Cake project and then copy your files (controllers, models, etc.) to this project and look what no longer works and fix it. 

HTH

@speedmax: Thanks for your comment.

I think it is a good idea to use such a doc system. It looks to me like it is more easier to write docs using such a syntax than XML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sviktorov: Difficult to say, it probably depends on the complexity of your project. </p>
<p>To upgrade, I would setup a new Cake project and then copy your files (controllers, models, etc.) to this project and look what no longer works and fix it. </p>
<p>HTH</p>
<p>@speedmax: Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I think it is a good idea to use such a doc system. It looks to me like it is more easier to write docs using such a syntax than XML.</p>
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		<title>By: speedmax</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-23748</link>
		<dc:creator>speedmax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really happy to see there is so much activity in cake community right now. 

In the event of cake pre-beta and temp docs goes online, as well as forming a effective user documentation strategy for my own projects. 

I have made a suggestion to cake trac to ultilize some form of lightweight markup such as Markdown, reStructedText, Textile.. 

https://trac.cakephp.org/ticket/3457


Its really powerful as some of other software library has shown, symfony(Markdown), Django (Rest), Mootools(Markdown).

Put a readable docs in source distribution in plain text, user/developer will be happier also the software itself will be the biggest beneficiary.

There is a couple interesting example. 

1. Django - put user docs in source distro is really handy when i am in middle of coding, every page/section is just a click away. no internet/compiling requried. can export to many many different formats (pdf, html, chm)
http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/docs/

2. Mootools - same story, but they through in a extra bit of javascript polish, a javascript markup parser. A beautiful doc pages rendered on the fly, when svn update your docs are always in sync.
http://svn.mootools.net/trunk/Docs/


What do you guys thinks? esp for those who contribute to OOS authors software library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really happy to see there is so much activity in cake community right now. </p>
<p>In the event of cake pre-beta and temp docs goes online, as well as forming a effective user documentation strategy for my own projects. </p>
<p>I have made a suggestion to cake trac to ultilize some form of lightweight markup such as Markdown, reStructedText, Textile.. </p>
<p><a href="https://trac.cakephp.org/ticket/3457" rel="nofollow">https://trac.cakephp.org/ticket/3457</a></p>
<p>Its really powerful as some of other software library has shown, symfony(Markdown), Django (Rest), Mootools(Markdown).</p>
<p>Put a readable docs in source distribution in plain text, user/developer will be happier also the software itself will be the biggest beneficiary.</p>
<p>There is a couple interesting example. </p>
<p>1. Django &#8211; put user docs in source distro is really handy when i am in middle of coding, every page/section is just a click away. no internet/compiling requried. can export to many many different formats (pdf, html, chm)<br />
<a href="http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/docs/" rel="nofollow">http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/trunk/docs/</a></p>
<p>2. Mootools &#8211; same story, but they through in a extra bit of javascript polish, a javascript markup parser. A beautiful doc pages rendered on the fly, when svn update your docs are always in sync.<br />
<a href="http://svn.mootools.net/trunk/Docs/" rel="nofollow">http://svn.mootools.net/trunk/Docs/</a></p>
<p>What do you guys thinks? esp for those who contribute to OOS authors software library.</p>
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		<title>By: sviktorov</title>
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		<dc:creator>sviktorov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How difficult will be to upgrade existing project from 1.1 to 1.2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How difficult will be to upgrade existing project from 1.1 to 1.2</p>
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		<title>By: cakebaker</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-19159</link>
		<dc:creator>cakebaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@serkan: Yes, I agree with you. Maybe the API helps a bit?

I am not sure Mariano reads your comment, you may have to contact him directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@serkan: Yes, I agree with you. Maybe the API helps a bit?</p>
<p>I am not sure Mariano reads your comment, you may have to contact him directly.</p>
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		<title>By: serkan tas</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-18664</link>
		<dc:creator>serkan tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is very tiring to work on a library with  -really- no documentation. Mariano Iglesias, i am still working on your plug&#039;n to make it work for 1.2. If you have a one, please let me know ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is very tiring to work on a library with  -really- no documentation. Mariano Iglesias, i am still working on your plug&#8217;n to make it work for 1.2. If you have a one, please let me know ;)</p>
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		<title>By: cakebaker</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-17898</link>
		<dc:creator>cakebaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@schutzsmith: Thanks for your comment! I fully agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@schutzsmith: Thanks for your comment! I fully agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: http://schutzsmith.myopenid.com/</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/09/16/first-version-of-the-cakephp-12-manual-online/comment-page-1/#comment-17197</link>
		<dc:creator>http://schutzsmith.myopenid.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just built my first app in cake and am absolutely loving the framework.  I&#039;ve literally been raving about it to every developer and designer I know to give it a try.

The only thing that has been bothering me with the project is the politics of it all.  I understand we all have our own agendas and everyone has an opinion (remember what your mom said about opinions?), but why oh why does it seem that this community has a constant battle between the developers of the framework and the community that uses it.

@Mariano: I truly value all of the hardwork that the cakephp developers have put in.  My concern is that when you say that I shouldn&#039;t give my suggestions for improvement because I am not going to be &quot;hands on&quot; in developing it myself.  The truth is that it is developers like me, who are on the front lines, selling the framework to clients (mostly big media and ad agencies btw) that are going to help you get even more participation in the project.

I guess what I am trying to say is can&#039;t we all just get along?  If you think I am crazy, just go through the google group emails or search some of the cakephp blogs and you&#039;ll see what I mean.

BTW, with every paid project I take on for CakePHP, I always plan on donating back a percentage to the cause - I highly suggest that other developers consider doing the same, its the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just built my first app in cake and am absolutely loving the framework.  I&#8217;ve literally been raving about it to every developer and designer I know to give it a try.</p>
<p>The only thing that has been bothering me with the project is the politics of it all.  I understand we all have our own agendas and everyone has an opinion (remember what your mom said about opinions?), but why oh why does it seem that this community has a constant battle between the developers of the framework and the community that uses it.</p>
<p>@Mariano: I truly value all of the hardwork that the cakephp developers have put in.  My concern is that when you say that I shouldn&#8217;t give my suggestions for improvement because I am not going to be &#8220;hands on&#8221; in developing it myself.  The truth is that it is developers like me, who are on the front lines, selling the framework to clients (mostly big media and ad agencies btw) that are going to help you get even more participation in the project.</p>
<p>I guess what I am trying to say is can&#8217;t we all just get along?  If you think I am crazy, just go through the google group emails or search some of the cakephp blogs and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
<p>BTW, with every paid project I take on for CakePHP, I always plan on donating back a percentage to the cause &#8211; I highly suggest that other developers consider doing the same, its the right thing to do.</p>
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