@Daniel: Enjoying a coffee/beer together is quite difficult, as we are on two different continents ;-) And I’m not sure whether it would be so easy to resolve the conflict, too much happened in the past… At least at the moment I don’t see a way to settle the differences :(

@Brendon: Yes, there is always something you can learn from such threads.

@fred: *g*, you are a cynic ;-)

@Brendon: Yes, it looks nice.

@Rui: Yes, I agree with you.

Every bit of information is useful even if written in a negative or whatever tone.

It’s up to the CakePHP team to filter what is relevant and ignore the rest. Time is only wasted if one embraces in these types of comments.

I really hope nothing will change and commenters will keep bashing each other. Please.

@nate: Good to hear you are already in the process of transitioning. Something learned, I wasn’t aware of that.

Well, you can find more feedback in my article. It is a bit hidden, but I’m sure you will find it if you look for it (a hint: it has not much to do with where the projects are hosted).

And there is also a lot of feedback for you (and gwoo) in the other comments.

@Ian: I’m sorry to hear that, anyway, have fun with the Zend framework!

@Joel: I agree with you.

@Daniel: Yes, such a comment would have been more appropriate.

@The Mullet: I don’t know what to say to your comment, I’m speechless… You disqualify yourself with such a comment (though there is still something to learn from it for me).

@Brendon: Yes, there is probably a bit of concern/irritation to hear in what I wrote, because I assumed github would be the future place for official cakephp projects and I wasn’t aware of the role of “The Chaw” at the time I wrote the article.

And yes, I have some responsibility and I am aware of it. Unfortunately, you can’t control how an article is perceived by the readers. The same message, like this article, can be perceived as negative (“A guy bitching that not all projects are in one place”), neutral (“A guy mentioning the release of some code and pointing to other projects of the same authors”), or positive (“A guy pointing me to a project which is exactly what I was looking for”), depending on the reader.

@Thomas: Yes, I agree with you, something went quite wrong :|

Well, I’m not turning my back on cake, I’m still using it, and I intend to do so in the future. Despite its developers. I’m not sure whether the differences can be settled, too much inappropriate things were said in the past by cake devs (for example in the comments of this article). Sure, I’m not entirely innocent, I question things, and not everyone likes that.

Oh, and thanks for the link about the feedback sandwich.

@ajmacaro: I care about software design/engineering, and when I see things that violate basic development principles I pick them up in my blog and write about them. Yes, sometimes it is preaching. Preaching good software development/design practices. Not only to the cake devs, but to everyone.

@Manny: It’s the past that haunts me ;-) In principle, cake 1.2 is production ready, even though it is still labeled as a release candidate. There are many who already use it in live applications.

@The Mullet: You talk in your comments about the so-called “worthless” tickets I open and that they often carry notes like “I would expect things to work another way”. Well, does such a note really mean a ticket is worthless? What defines a “worthless” ticket anyway? Believe me, there is usually a good reason why I open a ticket.

I’m open for feedback, but please be more specific. About how many tickets do we talk here? One ticket, ten tickets, hundred tickets (if you look on trac you will see I opened hundreds of tickets over the years)? And which tickets do you mean? And what is it, that makes those tickets worthless in your opinion? Just saying some tickets are worthless is not very helpful for me…

@Hannibal Lecter: It looks to me like a typical overreaction…

@The Mullet: Well, you are mixing things. This article is about the release of the source of the cookbook application, an application which already runs for around six months, and not about the application “The Chaw”, on which cakebook’s source is hosted.

Saying I didn’t contribute anything to this application (the cookbook application) is wrong, see trac for the cookbook-related tickets I opened. And regarding contributing to “The Chaw”, well, it’s difficult to contribute anything to an application you are not even aware it exists…

In all your comments to this article you question what I contribute to the CakePHP project and imply I have bad intentions regarding the cake project. So let me ask you one simple question: what do *you* contribute to CakePHP?

@Rafael: Keep cool! And please don’t use the same style as “The Mullet”. Even if you don’t agree with his comments, it is not worth to attack him on a personal level. It usually helps to wait with a response until the anger is gone (for example, my response to “The Mullet” would have been very different if I answered him immediately).

@theman: Well said.

@Martin: As Hannibal wrote, it is bad blood from the past. And after all those things that were written in the past, it is quite difficult to settle the personal differences…

@Jonah: Thanks for sharing your thoughts about why you saw this article as aggressive.

It’s true, sentences 2+3 are slightly negative. My thoughts were: “Oh no, not again a different place for an official project! It would be really cool to have everything in one single place”.

And here most stopped with reading, I guess, and overlooked the final part. In this part I accept the fact that the official projects are currently in different places and provide links to where you can find the sources of those projects.

Why did I see this as aggressive? The first sentence he writes explains that the cookbook application source code was recently released. After I read this I thought (literally) “wow, this is really cool. Perhaps we can study the way they wrote the cookbook and learn from it.” I then expected the next few sentences of cakebaker’s post to congratulate the team for the release of the app and to comment on how we could learn from their code.

But then I continue reading and find that *all* he has to say after that, is that “this project is hosted in a different place than other projects from the Cake team. It would be good if all such projects would be consolidated in one single place. ” (sentences 2-3). He simply moves on to the negative. I can definitely see how this would be hurtful to some certain people that worked on the cookbook.

Also I believe that the dev team needs to refrain from commenting on this blog. It does not look good for Cake to me. Due to human nature I can see how that would be hard however.

Anyway, many thanks for the release of such a cool piece of code, and please, start to wash your dirty clothes inside your own homes. I don´t want to think that my favourite framework by far is leaded by a bunch on babies.

Cheers,
Martin Bavio