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		<title>Comment on Preview of a new Selenium test suite by Abhimanyu Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhimanyu Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel: Are all files in Downloads section are updated?

I find a lot of things missing after installing this.</description>
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<p>I find a lot of things missing after installing this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to list all controllers by cakebaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>cakebaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maxim: Thanks for your comment and your patch, I applied it in the article. 

I'm sorry that your comment wasn't shown correctly, somehow the plugin I use to format source code ran amok... Anyway, your comment is now fixed.

PS: You do not have to apologize for your English skills, there is nothing wrong with being a learner ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maxim: Thanks for your comment and your patch, I applied it in the article. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that your comment wasn&#8217;t shown correctly, somehow the plugin I use to format source code ran amok&#8230; Anyway, your comment is now fixed.</p>
<p>PS: You do not have to apologize for your English skills, there is nothing wrong with being a learner ;-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to use the official CakePHP test suite by tech news</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2007/03/23/how-to-use-the-official-cakephp-test-suite/#comment-113172</link>
		<dc:creator>tech news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did a really good job to how to use cakephp</description>
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		<title>Comment on How to use the official CakePHP test suite by Recursos para iniciarse con CakePHP | Mareos de un Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recursos para iniciarse con CakePHP | Mareos de un Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cómo usar la suite de prueba oficial de CakePHP - Visitar [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by The Mullet</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113167</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon: 
&gt;My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage
&gt; Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality 

Well, if you go back a little to Daniels recent post on helper callbacks which offer some insight on how shallow-brained Daniels research is, I am not sure how much encouragement is needed to bring him up to speed with the developments in the Cake world.

But  I have no problem with Daniel writing stuff that is only of concern for people who cannot see the simple things. 

What I do have a problem with is that Daniel is using almost every chance of annoying the Core Team members and distracting their valuable time through posting and ever re-opening worthless tickets which almost always carry notes like "I would expect things to work another way": 
The history between Daniel and the core team is well known. I  wrote myself in the mentioned helper callback thread that I do often not agree on Nate's comments against others. But From my point of view, Daniel is the one that has the bigger share in this dispute.

Yeah, this is Captain Obviouses blog, so he can do what he wants. Thats why I suggested Cake Core members to simply ignore him and this blog. That's the only way to avoid having this dispute erupt over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon:<br />
&gt;My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage<br />
&gt; Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality </p>
<p>Well, if you go back a little to Daniels recent post on helper callbacks which offer some insight on how shallow-brained Daniels research is, I am not sure how much encouragement is needed to bring him up to speed with the developments in the Cake world.</p>
<p>But  I have no problem with Daniel writing stuff that is only of concern for people who cannot see the simple things. </p>
<p>What I do have a problem with is that Daniel is using almost every chance of annoying the Core Team members and distracting their valuable time through posting and ever re-opening worthless tickets which almost always carry notes like &#8220;I would expect things to work another way&#8221;:<br />
The history between Daniel and the core team is well known. I  wrote myself in the mentioned helper callback thread that I do often not agree on Nate&#8217;s comments against others. But From my point of view, Daniel is the one that has the bigger share in this dispute.</p>
<p>Yeah, this is Captain Obviouses blog, so he can do what he wants. Thats why I suggested Cake Core members to simply ignore him and this blog. That&#8217;s the only way to avoid having this dispute erupt over and over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by Manny</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113157</link>
		<dc:creator>Manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@daniel, no idea why you've got a target on your head. But I love the drama. BTW, I didn't see any maliciousness in your entry.

Here's an outsiders perspective. Toyed with cake 1.1 but bailed after no doc's, unstable code, suspect performance and unstable dev team. No idea what's changed except for doc's! I'm only going to try cake when it reaches 1.2 PRODUCTION ready code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@daniel, no idea why you&#8217;ve got a target on your head. But I love the drama. BTW, I didn&#8217;t see any maliciousness in your entry.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an outsiders perspective. Toyed with cake 1.1 but bailed after no doc&#8217;s, unstable code, suspect performance and unstable dev team. No idea what&#8217;s changed except for doc&#8217;s! I&#8217;m only going to try cake when it reaches 1.2 PRODUCTION ready code.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by ajmacaro</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113150</link>
		<dc:creator>ajmacaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ALL! there is nothing to argue here! 
"COOKBOOK SOURCE CODE! HAS BEEN RELEASE!"

There is nothing more important thing than that, right now! 

@daniel : everyday i read your blog, but sometimes you sounds like you
are preaching the cakedev's on what they must do or how they must do
their jobs. cake devs are humans too. 

@cakedev's : Thank you for all the hard work!. but right now the only
thing that makes me wonder is. whats with the name? "thechaw"? if you are
planning to surprise us. you dont have to answer now. i can wait till
christmas. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ALL! there is nothing to argue here!<br />
&#8220;COOKBOOK SOURCE CODE! HAS BEEN RELEASE!&#8221;</p>
<p>There is nothing more important thing than that, right now! </p>
<p>@daniel : everyday i read your blog, but sometimes you sounds like you<br />
are preaching the cakedev&#8217;s on what they must do or how they must do<br />
their jobs. cake devs are humans too. </p>
<p>@cakedev&#8217;s : Thank you for all the hard work!. but right now the only<br />
thing that makes me wonder is. whats with the name? &#8220;thechaw&#8221;? if you are<br />
planning to surprise us. you dont have to answer now. i can wait till<br />
christmas. :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by Thomas</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113142</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Comment, Brendon :)

Some things went terribly wrong here somehow. A striking number of posts seem to me like their writers perhaps reacted a little "touchy"...

Like Ian, I also view Daniels blog from a perhaps more objective (outsider's) point of view. And for someone like me I agree this post does not contain any striking hostility towards cake.

So here are my thoughts:
Obnoxious tone - did gwoo perhaps react a little too TOUCHY after having had a load of work and perhaps expecting more credit for it? Maybe he overreacted.

Ian "being done" with CakePHP because of bagatelles like unfortunate comments instead of the framework's (great) quality... also a little TOUCHY and overreacted?

The Mullet: Perhaps you (and the cake devs, too) should be more worried that the once core-developer Daniel turns his back on cake, not one "simple" (no offense intended) user like Ian. I think Daniel would be a far greater loss to the CakePHP community than a cake user. Dan's blog contains many VERY useful hints (especially for newbies and intermediate bakers).

ad hominem things like
&lt;code&gt;
"obnoxious",
"it doesn’t surprise me that you fail to see that",
"Captain Obvious",
"daniel is not worth it",
"you have reached your goal of damaging the cake world",
"his worthless tickets",
"how inexpressibly ridiculous his behavior is"
&lt;/code&gt;
do not help anybody - who ever wrote it. And it this what's hurting the CakePHP community: fights between core and ex core developers that should not be fought in public !!!!
I wonder: is it Daniel bashing on cake or the cake devs or the cake devs bashing on Daniel? Or can they agree that perhaps it is a little of both?

My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality and maybe this blog will stay / re-enter in the top 5 of "the best on cake"... Daniel, I think your blog is great and it has already helped me a lot of times. Keep up the great work.
Core devs: CakePHP is awesome, thank you for the great work and keep it up!

daniel, gwoo, nate and who else it may concern: Pleeeeeeeaaaaaase settle your differences in private and spare the community. I as a user feel awkward and think it is embarassing. There must be a way!

To everybody: read http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich.

Gute Nacht  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Comment, Brendon :)</p>
<p>Some things went terribly wrong here somehow. A striking number of posts seem to me like their writers perhaps reacted a little &#8220;touchy&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Like Ian, I also view Daniels blog from a perhaps more objective (outsider&#8217;s) point of view. And for someone like me I agree this post does not contain any striking hostility towards cake.</p>
<p>So here are my thoughts:<br />
Obnoxious tone - did gwoo perhaps react a little too TOUCHY after having had a load of work and perhaps expecting more credit for it? Maybe he overreacted.</p>
<p>Ian &#8220;being done&#8221; with CakePHP because of bagatelles like unfortunate comments instead of the framework&#8217;s (great) quality&#8230; also a little TOUCHY and overreacted?</p>
<p>The Mullet: Perhaps you (and the cake devs, too) should be more worried that the once core-developer Daniel turns his back on cake, not one &#8220;simple&#8221; (no offense intended) user like Ian. I think Daniel would be a far greater loss to the CakePHP community than a cake user. Dan&#8217;s blog contains many VERY useful hints (especially for newbies and intermediate bakers).</p>
<p>ad hominem things like<br />
<pre><code>"obnoxious",
"it doesn’t surprise me that you fail to see that",
"Captain Obvious",
"daniel is not worth it",
"you have reached your goal of damaging the cake world",
"his worthless tickets",
"how inexpressibly ridiculous his behavior is"</code></pre><br />
do not help anybody - who ever wrote it. And it this what&#8217;s hurting the CakePHP community: fights between core and ex core developers that should not be fought in public !!!!<br />
I wonder: is it Daniel bashing on cake or the cake devs or the cake devs bashing on Daniel? Or can they agree that perhaps it is a little of both?</p>
<p>My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality and maybe this blog will stay / re-enter in the top 5 of &#8220;the best on cake&#8221;&#8230; Daniel, I think your blog is great and it has already helped me a lot of times. Keep up the great work.<br />
Core devs: CakePHP is awesome, thank you for the great work and keep it up!</p>
<p>daniel, gwoo, nate and who else it may concern: Pleeeeeeeaaaaaase settle your differences in private and spare the community. I as a user feel awkward and think it is embarassing. There must be a way!</p>
<p>To everybody: read <a href="http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich</a>.</p>
<p>Gute Nacht  :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by Thomas</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113141</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Comment, Brendon :)

Some things went terribly wrong here somehow. A striking number of posts seem to me like their writers perhaps reacted a little "touchy"...

Like Ian, I also view Daniels blog from a perhaps more objective (outsider's) point of view. And for someone like me I agree this post does not contain any striking hostility towards cake.

So here are my thoughts:
Obnoxious tone - did gwoo perhaps react a little too TOUCHY after having had a load of work and perhaps expecting more credit for it? Maybe he overreacted.

Ian "being done" with CakePHP because of bagatelles like unfortunate comments instead of the framework's (great) quality... also a little TOUCHY and overreacted?

The Mullet: Perhaps you (and the cake devs, too) should be more worried that the once core-developer Daniel turns his back on cake, not one "simple" (no offense intended) user like Ian. I think Daniel would be a far greater loss to the CakePHP community than a cake user. Dan's blog contains many VERY useful hints (especially for newbies and intermediate bakers).

ad hominem things like
&lt;code&gt;
"obnoxious",
"it doesn’t surprise me that you fail to see that",
"Captain Obvious",
"daniel is not worth it",
"you have reached your goal of damaging the cake world",
"his worthless tickets",
"how inexpressibly ridiculous his behavior is"
&lt;/code&gt;
do not help anybody - who ever wrote it. And it this what's hurting the CakePHP community: fights between core and ex core developers that should not be fought in public !!!!
I wonder: is it Daniel bashing on cake or the cake devs or the cake devs bashing on Daniel? Or can they agree that perhaps it is a little of both?

My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality and maybe this blog will stay / re-enter in the top 5 of "the best on cake"... Daniel, I think your blog is great and it has already helped me a lot of times. Keep up the great work.
Core devs: CakePHP is awesome, thank you for the great work and keep it up!

daniel, gwoo, nate and who else it may concern: Pleeeeeeeaaaaaase settle your differences in private and spare the community. I as a user feel awkward and think it is embarassing. There must be a way!

To everybody: read http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich.

Gute Nacht !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Comment, Brendon :)</p>
<p>Some things went terribly wrong here somehow. A striking number of posts seem to me like their writers perhaps reacted a little &#8220;touchy&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Like Ian, I also view Daniels blog from a perhaps more objective (outsider&#8217;s) point of view. And for someone like me I agree this post does not contain any striking hostility towards cake.</p>
<p>So here are my thoughts:<br />
Obnoxious tone - did gwoo perhaps react a little too TOUCHY after having had a load of work and perhaps expecting more credit for it? Maybe he overreacted.</p>
<p>Ian &#8220;being done&#8221; with CakePHP because of bagatelles like unfortunate comments instead of the framework&#8217;s (great) quality&#8230; also a little TOUCHY and overreacted?</p>
<p>The Mullet: Perhaps you (and the cake devs, too) should be more worried that the once core-developer Daniel turns his back on cake, not one &#8220;simple&#8221; (no offense intended) user like Ian. I think Daniel would be a far greater loss to the CakePHP community than a cake user. Dan&#8217;s blog contains many VERY useful hints (especially for newbies and intermediate bakers).</p>
<p>ad hominem things like<br />
<pre><code>"obnoxious",
"it doesn’t surprise me that you fail to see that",
"Captain Obvious",
"daniel is not worth it",
"you have reached your goal of damaging the cake world",
"his worthless tickets",
"how inexpressibly ridiculous his behavior is"</code></pre><br />
do not help anybody - who ever wrote it. And it this what&#8217;s hurting the CakePHP community: fights between core and ex core developers that should not be fought in public !!!!<br />
I wonder: is it Daniel bashing on cake or the cake devs or the cake devs bashing on Daniel? Or can they agree that perhaps it is a little of both?</p>
<p>My suggestion (especially to The Mullet) is to encourage Daniel to write more kick ass cake posts of great quality and maybe this blog will stay / re-enter in the top 5 of &#8220;the best on cake&#8221;&#8230; Daniel, I think your blog is great and it has already helped me a lot of times. Keep up the great work.<br />
Core devs: CakePHP is awesome, thank you for the great work and keep it up!</p>
<p>daniel, gwoo, nate and who else it may concern: Pleeeeeeeaaaaaase settle your differences in private and spare the community. I as a user feel awkward and think it is embarassing. There must be a way!</p>
<p>To everybody: read <a href="http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikihow.com/Give-a-Feedback-Sandwich</a>.</p>
<p>Gute Nacht !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Source code of the cookbook application has been released by Brendon Kozlowski</title>
		<link>http://cakebaker.42dh.com/2008/11/20/source-code-of-the-cookbook-application-has-been-released/#comment-113133</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Kozlowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of information/communication + actual observation + assumptions = greater communication breakdown.

Pretty sure if Dawson's blog post also mentioned the reasons for it being located elsewhere there wouldn't be any confusion, and it'd be a completely positive post we'd be reading here.  Yes, there is some noticed negativity, or perhaps concern, in Daniel's post.  Is it unwarranted?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  I don't believe it was meant completely as a stab at anyone or anything...nor do I blame Dawson for sharing his news in earnest, it's a great effort that *everyone* will be excited about, and I'd encourage him to start blogging again, regardless of this fragmented communication between Daniel and core team members' plans or roadmap.  Increased communication is a two-sided sword, it increases awareness, but it can also raise more questions, concerns and unwarranted comments or criticisms.  But, we all have to take the good with the bad.

As far as Daniel not providing any useful information, I tend to disagree.  I'd rather not point out specifics as I feel it's unnecessary, and as it is a blog he's able to be bias (though should also be wary as with "power" comes "responsibility").  Either way, overall, this is still great news - even if I did read it on Dawson's page first (and also wondered why it wasn't on Cakeforge, so now I know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of information/communication + actual observation + assumptions = greater communication breakdown.</p>
<p>Pretty sure if Dawson&#8217;s blog post also mentioned the reasons for it being located elsewhere there wouldn&#8217;t be any confusion, and it&#8217;d be a completely positive post we&#8217;d be reading here.  Yes, there is some noticed negativity, or perhaps concern, in Daniel&#8217;s post.  Is it unwarranted?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  I don&#8217;t believe it was meant completely as a stab at anyone or anything&#8230;nor do I blame Dawson for sharing his news in earnest, it&#8217;s a great effort that *everyone* will be excited about, and I&#8217;d encourage him to start blogging again, regardless of this fragmented communication between Daniel and core team members&#8217; plans or roadmap.  Increased communication is a two-sided sword, it increases awareness, but it can also raise more questions, concerns and unwarranted comments or criticisms.  But, we all have to take the good with the bad.</p>
<p>As far as Daniel not providing any useful information, I tend to disagree.  I&#8217;d rather not point out specifics as I feel it&#8217;s unnecessary, and as it is a blog he&#8217;s able to be bias (though should also be wary as with &#8220;power&#8221; comes &#8220;responsibility&#8221;).  Either way, overall, this is still great news - even if I did read it on Dawson&#8217;s page first (and also wondered why it wasn&#8217;t on Cakeforge, so now I know).</p>
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